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Hey there, it's Cory. A couple of weeks ago we published an episode with triplets separated at birth. And I gotta say, I really loved that episode. But what you don't know is that we recorded that episode twice. Back in June, we spent a little over an hour with Ricky, Jules and Kenny and it was fantastic. But there was some...

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audio snafus and not all the tracks were recorded, so we had to re-record with them. Well, I just found a backup track with all of us on there, and that's what we're putting out today. And surprisingly, it's almost all different content. I think there's one or two stories that they tell that are pretty similar to the ones they told in the published episode.

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But otherwise, it's all new stuff and it's very compelling and it's very emotional. And we're just thrilled to put that out there again today. Plus Kendall and I are guests on their podcast this week. So please check out Luke, who is your father. And you get to hear Kendall and I get really raw and crazy. Enjoy.

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Welcome back to Family Twist. We have three guests with us today, Kenny, Ricky, and Jules. But before I get accused of burying the lead, I guess you could also be known as triplets separated at birth. Yes, correct. And fellow podcasters too. So we were just talking about episode, you just finished episode 10, correct? We did, we just finished our season finale. Awesome, congrats.

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We know how much work goes into... We didn't realize how much work went into doing a podcast, but now we know. I think that's a pretty common shared experience. Oh yeah, we frequently... We have two jobs now, which is great. That's fine. But yeah, we totally agree. We have a lot of respect for anyone who takes on the project. Right. Absolutely. Yeah. So Kendall and I... I don't remember how I stumbled upon...

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your story. I think it might've been on Instagram, but as soon as I saw Triplets separated at birth, I thought, oh, I got to find out more because this could be a great episode. And then I found that you had a podcast and it's, wow. So Kendall and I listened to the first episode. We didn't want to learn too much ahead of time, but we wanted to make sure we weren't coming into this completely blind and we both got emotional just listening to it. It's quite a story. So where do you want to begin?

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telling the story? Well, I mean, we usually begin with being triplets. We usually start with my mom's kind of side of the story, especially because when you hear that triplets separated at birth, then went on to find out that they were donor conceived. People tend to have a lot of questions and pass a lot of judgment if they don't understand all the context surrounding the situation.

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So, I can kind of speak to being with our birth mother and then I'll typically trade it over to Kenny and Jules to talk about the other side of the tracks, if you will. Does that work for you guys? Yes. Absolutely. Yeah. Excellent. So, my mom, Kathleen, married my dad, Lee, when he was 58 years old and pretty poor health overall. And she was completely deaf.

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So she was 35, he was 58. That's a big age gap. And they had not, children were not really in the cards for them. And he had had a vasectomy anyway. And he had two children in a previous marriage and one had actually passed away when he was 26 years old in a motorcycle accident. Not when Lee was 26 years old when his son was. Yes, when his son Rick was 26 years old. So he was kind of none too eager to

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take that journey again with his new wife, Kathleen. But that biological clock started ticking when she was about 35 and she asked to have a baby and they separated for a while because of that. And then, you know, they came back together. He said, you can come home, we can have a baby. So they had to go through artificial insemination to do so. That is not something that I was aware of.

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until I was 13. So they did IUI. She had received separate care for the insemination and then for her pregnancy, prenatal care. So there was quite the discrepancy there. So she did not find out that she was pregnant with triplets until she was seven months along. Wow. Woo. Yeah. Which is pretty unusual.

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with a donor situation. Yes, very. It actually was so unprecedented that it changed procedure for the doctor's office. And they did have to kind of acknowledge they flubbed both the prenatal care and the insemination because her fertility drugs that she was taking was only supposed to give her a 2% chance of having twins. Wow. Yeah.

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So she goes in for her. Yeah, if it was any higher, we could be in an even stickier situation. And I think people might have questions about.

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just having an ultrasound and the frequency of that because I think now, especially I think artificial insemination is different than IVF and they were a little bit strapped financially. So it wasn't, I think she was just going in for checkups, but not having ultrasound, not having anything like that because it's expensive, it's time consuming and she was healthy. So she just wasn't getting as frequent of, you know, examinations. Right.

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Yeah. So they had sort of set the precedent with her that unless anything was going wrong with her pregnancy, that they would just proceed as normal. She goes in at 28 weeks, they measure her and they're like, we need to have an ultrasound. You're measuring at 32 when you should be measuring at 28. So I told her she was having triplets. My dad really was not even too keen on the idea of having one more new baby. Certainly not.

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three more. And again, just not a super ideal situation to be having three babies into. They were strapped financially. He was much older and poor health. She was at that time, she has a cochlear implant now, but she was 100% deaf. So 40 minutes down the road, they were working with an adoption agent, if you will, named Sybil, who was also working with a couple named Tina and Kent.

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And that's where Jules and Kendall come in. Yeah. So our parents, they, my mom, I don't know if the word is even suffered. She was a victim of a really violent sexual assault when she was 16 years old. And then when she, her and my dad got married and they started trying to have children right away and were having a lot of difficulty. And they went in to start looking into that and the doctor.

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gets really sensitive about it. The doctor told her that she had a better chance of being struck by lightning twice than getting pregnant because she had gone into premature menopause when she was 26. She thinks it's because of this really violent assault that she had

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And the whole story is kind of, it makes me emotional even thinking about Tina because they did, they wanted baby so bad. They had one, they had one family where the birth mother just would not tell them who the father was. And they weren't comfortable with that. They didn't want the father to come back into the picture later and try to reclaim his parental rights and things like that.

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My mom was really scared about stuff like that. And there was a lot of stuff in the news about, we didn't know until we started talking to my mom that, and I don't know what the law is today, but back then it was you can, the birth mother can come and claim her child up until two years after the adoption process. And there were stories about birth mothers literally like snatching their babies back. And then they had, so that didn't work out.

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to come back and bite them. And then they had one more situation where, and this one was horrible, this young woman had told them that she was pregnant. And it was an ongoing thing where they were, you know, keeping abreast of checkups and all of that. And then she told them that she had had an abortion very late into her pregnancy, which my mom was absolutely devastated about. And they said, okay, well,

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why would you do that when we have a couple that's waiting to adopt this baby and then they ask for medical records to prove that, which the girl could not provide because she had never had an abortion. And then she said that she had a miscarriage or something as well. And she couldn't provide records for that. And she had lied the entire time. She was never actually pregnant. About being pregnant. Oh. Which... Ugh.

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My mom was just absolutely devastated and heartbroken and she started to kind of lose faith a little bit in the process. And then they came back and said, we have a family. How do you guys feel about twins? And we didn't know this, Kendall, until we interviewed mom. They called my parents when they were apart from each other. They were like, we don't know how they got us on the phone even at the same time, but without even consulting each other. Not being like, oh.

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wait, we should talk about this. They were so excited to have babies that they said yes to twins immediately. And then Kendall, how long did they have to wait to bring us home? Well, we initially thought, we had always thought that it was two months because Kathleen found out at seven months that she was pregnant with triplets and then like really expedited the adoption process. But then we remember that we were five weeks premature. So they had three weeks to prepare.

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for two twins versus a single baby. And they were just, there was never a question. They were just ecstatic to even have the opportunity, I guess, yeah. Sounds like your adoptive parents went through things that I know my adoptive parents were terrified of because they also had heard stories, you know, that were not pleasant and.

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And I was born in Arkansas and there was only a nine month waiting period there. But my parents were still terrified, you know, because they immediately, you know, started calling me by the name that truly wasn't legal, you know, my, my new name, and just had that overarching, you know, fear that you'd have to know my mother, she was like, well, I'll just, you know, run away to Mexico. You know what I mean? Like, like I'll just take the baby. And it's like, uh,

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That's not really practical because everybody in the community knows you, you know, but I can understand that sentiment. Yeah. And it was something that persisted for a long time. And I think it kind of like went through ebbs and flows because they did. Our parents got together for the first time when we were about a month old. And I think they were pretty comfortable with that. And then they got together again when we were six months to a year old. And then...

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I think my mom started getting very scared again, a little bit and very, I don't want to say possessive or territorial, but she wanted to protect our little family. And I think that's why, so we always knew that we were adopted, but I think that's right around that time is when they said, okay, we're going to actually close this adoption a little bit more. And so we did not know until we were nine that we had another sister.

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Well, we always knew that we were adopted. Yeah. Okay. What were your parents' reactions when they found out that it was triplets and not twins? And did they ask, like, how are you going to decide which baby you're going to keep? Yeah. So that was very important to my parents. We had the privilege of going through all of their paperwork that they filled out with the adoption agency. And it was very important to them that whatever family was adopting the girls,

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did have sympathy for the situation because my mom was just struggling with so much guilt about everything. So Tina and Ken passed no judgment whatsoever. They came and interviewed at my parents' house and said they were just very kind people. They totally understood the situation. They decided upon arrival that they were 100% a yes. And then...

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My parents decided very shortly thereafter that they were a total yes for Tina and Ken. But yeah, I don't think that they really had any strong feelings about knowing that they would be adopting a set of twins from a set of triplets aside from just being totally ecstatic. And then as far as choosing, it is very funny to be... I think Ken will want to tell you why. That's fine. I just want to say when your parents got to the hospital.

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Yeah. Yeah. I love this story. I want to tell this story. Don't forget. Well, you went the parent, our parents got to the hospital. Why don't you go first Kendall and then Nikki can go? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Make more sense. We actually didn't know how Kathleen, it was never really like a conversation for a very long time of how she chose. I think just because me and Julianne just, we loved our parents so much. So

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We'd never felt abandoned. We never felt that we weren't wanted. There was nothing like that. But I remember very specifically asking Kathleen, I think we were, I wanna say it was maybe after dad passed away and we were having lunch with Kathleen and I was like, how did you choose? Because that would seem like a very hard decision. And she said that Julianne and Ricky were both

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head down. Both breach. Both breach. Yes. They were both breach. And I was facing the correct direction, which I think is a little bit of a metaphor. You've always been very compliant. Yes. But then, no, you know what? Me and Ricky, me and Ricky were breach. Julianne wiggled around and they were like, they're just going to stay that way the whole time.

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because we were so packed in there like sardines. And then Julianne ultimately kind of like wiggled around to be breech. No, no, son of a gun. Okay, you're gonna need to edit this. That's okay. Let me tell the story and then we're gonna have to totally ruin it. No, you're good. Okay, Joel was head down, you and me were breech. Yes, me and Ricky were breech. Julianne was facing the correct direction. Then I...

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ultimately wiggled around to be by Julian. So we were both head down and Ricky was the only one left. So Kathleen took that as a sign that me and Julian wanted to be together. And then, which I think is a huge blessing because like, I don't know if that had not happened. No, she said she was incredibly relieved that that had happened. And it was very unusual because they said this will not change. This will be.

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their positions the entire time. It is too packed in there. Because you can imagine, she was out to freaking here. They were like, there's no way they have enough room to move at all. Some results. So that's how they chose to keep them together. And then in interviewing our parents for our season of the podcast, we found out that Ken and Tina actually had to delay going to the hospital for a while because my parents were...

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making a split second decision because it turns out my dad wanted to keep baby A instead. Oh, wow. Wow. We don't know why. Yeah, we think maybe first born, but yeah, he was like, I think we want to keep Julian instead. So my parents had to hold off a little bit even longer, which was a little bit torturous for them. But in the end, they took home Kendall and I, which is a huge blessing because Ricky and I

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are so much alike that I think any set of parents would have struggled having us together in a household. It would have been a nightmare. Who named you? Our parents named us. I'm named after my great- Great- Grandfather. Grandfather and Kendall's named after- My dad. My father, yeah. And then I'm named after my brother who passed away, Rick and my dad, Lee.

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Because it sounds like you, and I can't remember, I'm so sorry if it's Kendall or Corey, it sounds like you already had a name and then someone had to change, they changed it. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I think Kathleen was very good about just, she left that completely up to my parents. I think that I can imagine that it would make it more difficult to give up a child that you had already assigned a name to. Well, so Kendall's birth mother named him after his birth father.

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Which I thought was a sweet gesture, you know, knowing that she was not getting to keep this baby. And they didn't have a choice. Their parents said, no. They were 15 and 16 when I was four. I was going to ask were they so young. Yeah. And so, yeah, so he was named Scott after his dad. And then after he was adopted then. You know, as we knew from earlier, Kendall was going to be his name whether he was a boy or a girl. Right. My mother was already, my adoptive mother was like,

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You know, whatever baby she had, that's what she wanted to name it. Well, I mean, it's just such a great name. Exactly. I am with you. But, um, but yeah. And so it's weird. I didn't until I was eight, I had never seen my adoption paper. So I didn't really, and you know, when you're a little kid, like I didn't really question that I had another name. I just, you know, I didn't, I don't even remember saying like, Oh, did I have a name before you, you know, just started calling me Kendall.

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Because they got me when I was two months old. So for all intents and purposes in my tiny town, that's the only way people knew me. And, uh, yeah. And so, and then legally, like I said, nine months later is when it could, it could go through. So I was 11 months old when technically my name became Kendall, but nobody in my life, um, even knew that my birth name was Scott. Yeah.

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That's incredible. Do you feel any type of way about Scott? Well, it's funny when I found out that that was my name, uh, when I was like eight, I remember thinking, well, I don't, that doesn't seem like me, you know, what does that mean? Right? Like there are so many Scots in the world. It could be, but, um, now it touches my heart. Um, knowing my biological father now, you know, who is called Scott and it, you know, it just, um,

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That's an interesting part of the equation. Yeah. To hear people say his name and think to myself, wow, that was my name too. Yeah. Which my father knew that that's all he really knew when I was born. My mother and her family had moved. I was conceived in New England. My mother's family moved during the pregnancy to Arkansas. So that was the last time my birth parents ever saw each other.

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And all he got was a call when I was born saying, baby, Scott, you know, is fine. And so I can't imagine how that must feel to want to keep it, you know, my dad tried everything he could do to, um, convince the grandparents, um, to let them either stay together or, you know, get married or, you know, which of course would have been a horrible decision. But.

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You know, he was trying so hard to get to keep me. And so I can't imagine what it must've felt like to think that he got my name and I still don't get to know him. That it's a, that's, you know, there's so many families that go through. I think when you're adopted, people automatically assume that you have issues with feeling abandoned or like someone didn't want you. And we have never experienced that. You obviously did not experience that either. And I think that would be so hard.

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to know that, okay, to feel like someone left you on a doorstep or whatever it is. But it's really hard to also know that someone hurt. Someone fought for you. Yeah, someone fought for you. Someone hurt on the other end. And I think when we were interviewing Kathleen and reading through these letters that we had written to each other and that she had written to my parents, we did not know how much she really did struggle with that decision.

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and how much like guilt and shame and all of that, that she felt for years and years and years, which I think only really subsided when we all got to meet each other. And then I don't know, you haven't listened to it yet, obviously. We, Ricky and I took a, can you say the word zygot... Zygotany test. We took a zygotany test for the last, for the finale episode of our podcast because we, my birth mother...

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Um, she always thought that we were identical once she started seeing us. I was like, hell no, no, we're not. I never thought that we were, but she had a lot of, um, trepidation about separating identical twins. She was really, really nervous to do that. And I felt a lot of guilt about that even later. And we did just find out that we are identical. So yeah. And she, yeah, it was, it was really sad to learn through our, through.

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kind of digging into all this, how much she really did suffer with that choice. And I think she's doing better now. I can't even imagine. I mean, well, I mean, Enrique would be a daily reminder, a constant reminder. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. And the doctors told her that no one was identical. And then when we started to receive pictures, my mom took them to the doctor and was like, hello, what is it? Exactly. And they were like, we did the best we could. Right.

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Um, I feel like I should tell Kath like, okay, if we think about this, if you guys had grown up together and I was the one to stay with that Kathleen and then like I found or you guys found out about me later and I had to meet you two. Yeah. Being me and not looking anything like you, that would have been really, really hard. I think for me, I would have felt even more isolated, even more like I think this turned out.

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I mean, selfishly, I think this would have been horrible. Yeah. I mean, imagine the situation if- There are actually a lot of feelings coming up about it that not all of us anticipated having. Like I didn't expect to struggle with it. Finding that out and have really struggled with it because I was alone anyway. So then to like see on a piece of paper an identical set of DNA and like read more about

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And like it is a joke that, you know, we joke that we would have been a wrecking ball, but like we don't know that because it's a different situation. Like we might just have that dynamic because we grew up separately, you know what I mean? So yeah, we've learned a lot, I think. It's brought up a lot more than we thought that it would to talk about things like this and find things like that out. So I'm sure, I'm sure. Because you were

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five weeks early, were there complications? Did you have to stay in the hospital longer than? We did. Big time. I was born at three pounds, 14 ounces. I was four. I was four, right on the dot. Yeah. I think I was a little above four. Yeah. I think 4.2, four. 3.14. 3.14. High. But I think Kendall, so we actually learned this too. We learned so much doing this.

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We think that Kendall's water broke early and Kathleen was in the pool, I think, so she did not necessarily notice. So by the time that she went into the hospital, there's a thought that Kendall might have not had any amniotic fluid for a while. Or I was like drowning in my... Or something like that. Because Kendall had to stay in the longest. My lungs were like underdeveloped, I think.

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I don't know. We all had to be incubated for a bit. Incubated. I think I went home after a week. You went home early. Right away. Right away. Yeah. Yeah. You were gone by the time my parents got there. Mm-hmm. Ricky went home like this. I stayed in for a week and Kendall had to stay in for a few weeks. Sickly. And then I think we're just literally thinking, oh my gosh, maybe because Kendall struggles with asthma. We all record the podcast at my house. I heard that one of you has a bunch of cats.

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I have four cats. Kendall will really start to wheeze. We think maybe that has something to do with it. But yes, Ricky went home right away. I had to stay in for a week or so and then Kendall did have more complications than us two. I think I was, I think I was jaundiced too. There was all sorts of crap. But it's hilarious seeing pictures. She stayed up there with me.

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babies because they're like little petite, little small, cute children. And I'm like this big fat, like, it's like a tail. They called me Uncle Fester. Oh no. So called. But now it happened. Just the most hair. So what happened, so my mom took me home. Kendall and Julianne did ultimately end up going to their assigned.

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place with Tina and Ken, they met a couple of times. Tina and Ken got pretty sketched out and moved to not close the adoption. He was just asking about if we had birth complications. I know. Okay. We're just moving things along. Oh, I didn't know what they wanted to ask. You don't need to leave. I will actually turn that back over to you. This is a bad habit of running your own podcast. That's fine.

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And you were probably getting to this, Ricky. So Kenny and Jules, you found out as young children that you were adopted. But what were you told, Ricky? I was told from the beginning of time that I was a triplet and that my sisters were adopted and that they lived less than an hour away. Wow. So... As a little kid, like a toddler, I can only imagine the questions coming out of your mouth. I think that I was so well informed.

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about the situation that I never really had questions. My parents were very upfront with me about why they did that, about who Tina and Ken were. Tina and Ken continue to send my mom cards and an occasional letter. My mom certainly continued to send them letters. So I would be able to see those and see the photos. So I don't actually think I ever really...

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had any questions until I started asking if I could meet them. Her only question was when can I meet them? When can I meet them? Yeah. And so, but that didn't, after that six, you know, the babies seeing each other at six months, and obviously you don't remember that, when was that able to happen? Yeah. So my dad...

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became very sick very early in my life, like five or six years old. He, I think, got prostate cancer. He was also an alcoholic and just had run his body pretty ragged. He was like a... Have you seen A Star Is Born? Yes. You know Bradley Cooper in that movie? Yeah. It's like her dad. Okay. But he looked like... But he looked like Sam Elliott, Bradley Cooper. All right. Gotcha.

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Yes, very Jackson Mame-esque aside from the illicit drug use. My dad just liked to stick to booze. But it's overall just like a cowboy with a lot of swagger who is like pretty nomadic. So he became ill. And that's when I started writing Tina and Ken, Julian and Kendall's parents.

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pestering them asking if Juliana Kendall knew about me. And they, I think wrote back once and said, no. And then I sort of convinced my mom to take me to the outlet malls that I knew were by Juliana Kendall's house or closer to their house than it was to our house. And while in the mall.

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She's seven, seven or eight coming up with this diabolical plan. Oh, it's been very strategic and calculated. So when we were in the outlet mall, I heard someone behind me say, hi, Julian, and I was like, this worked. They're in here. Like they're in the, and I was so excited and I turned around and this poor seven year old girl was talking to me.

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thinking I was Julianne. So my mom had to call her mom over and say, she can't say anything. They don't know that she exists. Please make sure that you don't say anything to their parents, that she doesn't say anything to them. And she never did. They don't know who she is to this day. They still don't know who she is to this day. And then my parents were informed about this via letter.

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I would think that this would warrant a phone call, but it was via letter. She was like, this happened. So we think that's what kind of put our parents' feet to the fire as far as them actually telling us about Ricky because they were like, oh shit. Or I'm sorry. They were like, oh crap. This would be horrible if they found out from someone else. And we were in such close proximity that they were afraid it was bound to happen. So that was kind of the catalyst for them actually telling us about Ricky. So you're playing work, Ricky.

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Yeah. It's an ultimate reward. It works. I'm very proud. I mean, you should read these letters that she was writing as a small child. She does not sound like a small child. And then I think when her dad started to get very, very ill, that's when she was really putting some, I'm saying pressure because that's what it was. She was really putting the pressure on to actually meet us. And then her dad, Ricky's dad did pass away.

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And they said, we got to get out of here. They decided they were going to move to Missouri. And that was kind of their last plea for like, please, please let the girls meet each other before we leave the state. And then we did. Yeah. And I don't know, Kendall and Corey, your line of questioning. But if you want Kendall to tell you about how they told them about me. For sure.

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So it was close to Christmas. We found out through investigating all these things that memory is very subjective. So we're not entirely sure. But I remember it being New Year's Day. And my parents, we have this cowboy chair because it has cowboy fabric on it. So we've always called it the cowboy chair. And they brought us to the cowboy chair.

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and they sat us down and they said, you know, we have one more Christmas present for you, but it's something that can't be wrapped. And then they showed us the picture of Ricky, which it was her fourth grade. Yep, third or fourth. Yeah, third or fourth grade, like school photo behind like the blue backdrop. And it looked like Julian. It was really weird. I was like, that looks like Julian, but Julian...

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is not that stylish. I'm just kidding. She had different clothes. I was like, and then apparently they took us separately and kind of like, they left it out from us together. They were concerned because I obviously don't look, I'm not identical. What did you say? I said, I'm such a nerd.

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I was like, I'm unique. I'm unique. That's right. I pointed my finger up in there because I always did that when I was making a point. And then I just said, this is, it's like looking in a mirror. And I think it's, children are remarkable because our parents were so nervous to tell us about this. Obviously had a lot of fear, anxiety, all of that. And we took it like champs. Just kind of rolled with the punches. It was not a huge, you know, seismic bomb that went off in our house.

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And then that's when we started writing back and forth and we wrote back and forth until we finally got to meet each other, I think about three years later. Wow. Yeah. Wow. We're in Missouri. Did you move, Fricke? Because Cory is from Missouri. I'm sorry. Are you part of Diamond? Diamond. What part of the state is that? Okay. So Kendall, you lived in Arkansas. I did. Cory, are you familiar with Arkansas? A little bit. Yeah.

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Okay. I love Arkansas. We love Arkansas. Stunning. So I moved technically like on our address to Neosho, which is like 30 miles north of the border for Arkansas. I went to school, unfortunately in Diamond because we were like one mile away from the school district line, which is maybe one thing I would actually go back and change.

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But yeah, so we ended up moving to Neosha, Missouri because my grandparents lived in Springfield, Missouri. And my mom was just being an absolute workhorse in Colorado, taking care of a farm by herself. And yeah, I remember going out and she was building a farm.

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Digging a post hole with a post hole digger and just getting so frustrated. And I remember it was just like gray and drab. And she was crying. And she turned to me and said, can we please move? She sought my counsel. She asked me if we could move to Missouri to be closer to her parents. And she said, I went and I said, well, I want to go take a second inside. And I came out in like an hour and said we could.

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That's where we went. Crazy. And how long were you in Missouri? Until, I mean, I went to middle school and high school in Diamond, Missouri, and then I went to college at Missouri State University. Oh, Bears. And I was there until I was 23 and then moved to Austin, Texas.

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So what was that first meeting like when you actually were in the office and were meeting together again? Again, it was so easy. I think both parents had a lot of anxiety and I don't remember being anxious about it but we were 11 and I think it was one of those things where we finally actually got together, saw each other for the first time, which was weird. That's the only thing I remember is we got like, whoa.

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that it was just weird physically seeing each other, but we fell into step. It was like we had known each other forever. It was very easy, very comfortable. We went to a mall and went and did a little bit of shopping while I was just picture us running in the mall ahead of our parents while they kind of hung behind. Then we went to go see a movie, went to go see the cinematic masterpiece that is Daredevil.

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Went to Old Chicago afterwards for dinner and it was just very easy, very comfortable. I think it obviously it did us a lot of good, but I think that was one of the turning points for both of our parents because my mom specifically, maybe my dad, but more so my mom had still been so nervous up to that point. She thought we were going to see Kathleen and have some kind of biological…

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pull towards her and leave to Missouri forever or something. And Ricky's mom had just been sad up until that point. And so after we met and then both went our respective ways, that was Ricky's mom's turning point for feeling like, oh my God, I made the right decision because they got to see us. They got to see us with our parents.

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got to see that we were good, that we had grown up very loved and well. So she felt better. And then my parents felt better because they were still our parents. We still very much identified them as so. So it was very healing for them. Healing for both sets of parents. And for us, it was just really fun. And we got to meet our sister. It was like when you have like a good friend that lives.

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far away. And every time you get back together, it's just like no time has passed. It was like that except we never met each other. Writing back and forth certainly, we haven't even really thought about that, really helps that not be such a weird encounter because we felt like we knew each other at least a little bit because we had gotten the opportunity to write back and forth for so long. So this wasn't the like bam.

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But this is certainly before 11 year olds had cell phones and could text each other. Oh, yes. So it's like you. What do you mean? How do you know that? Are you? It was a guess. You said, well, you dated yourself a little bit when you said daredevil. I'm assuming. And all the mall references. A Gen Z, a mall is where? Exactly.

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You have a bunch of tabs open shopping, but in person. Yes. It's like Amazon, but in a building. Yeah. Also, like Ricky's whole plot, I just thought of this today. The mall is where you went and you always ran into people that you know. That was the mall. Yeah. True. Oh, yeah. It was more of a social endeavor and everything than anything. Oh, for sure. Yeah. Right.

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So you're keeping in touch over the years through letters and phone calls? No phone calls. Phone calls. I think our parents were pretty uneasy with phone calls. Well, we didn't get cell phones until we were 13, which I think is a great idea. So we didn't even have that option. We did have like a home phone, obviously, but.

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I don't know. I think we just, we didn't exchange numbers. Well, and this was the time of AOL Instant Messenger and then MSN Messenger. Okay. Yeah. So a rare phone call. It kind of sucked because we had so much of our podcast was we had this content that was just gold because we had these years and years and years and years

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just abruptly stopped and it's because we had aim and text messages and all that. So we still, we wrote letters for a little bit and then yeah, I think it was just a lot of back and forth with, with text and aim. Yeah. Wow. I mean, I was miserable in high school. So I ended up, we found- We definitely did actually still write some lines. Yeah. I had kept like what I call a diary.

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Oh my God. The things that if you, I don't think, okay, I might, I don't want to be sexist. I think it'd be a little bit different for boys, men to go back and read letters that they had written to each other at 13, 14, 15. For us, teenage girls, oh my God, I like can't even get through some of them because it's so embarrassing. It's so cringy. It's so, oh my God, it's adorable sort of, but it's really like, oh my God.

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Reading our high school letters, I kept what I called the diary and just wrote constant stream of consciousness and sent it to them. But that episode in reading those was our most difficult episode to get through. Apparently the listeners liked it, but we hated it. I left them like, this is not what I signed up for. Yeah. So yeah.

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That's how we were keeping in touch. And then, we had a... Are you gonna give me a mouse? Yes. So my mom had sort of made a bid to Tina and Ken after we had met the first time. She had said, you know, if you had asked us to stay and like come and move by you in Colorado, we would have done it, which we sort of sussed out to be, I think that Ricky really needs.

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a father figure and more like a more of a village to raise her. I don't know. So I ended up going and visiting them every summer and parents ended up kind of stepping in and raising me for our high school career. That's amazing. Yeah. So that had to be like the real bonding time those summers.

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It feels like when we look back on it, she spent the whole summer with us, which I'm sure it was like at most two weeks maybe. But yes, that's when we really started to get to know each other, really got suspent. My father taught Ricky how to drive. And Kendall and I had grown up a little bit differently than Ricky had. So she got to experience some things that she hadn't gotten to experience. Ricky and I started to get to...

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trick people. We finally got to do our little switcheroo. She knew my high school friends, Kendall's high school friends. And yeah, that was, I mean, looking back, I don't think any of us has anything but just such great feelings about that time. Yeah. Blissful. Definitely the thing that I looked forward to most, for sure. And we kind of carried that through, like, literally until we all moved here. We would

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um, schedule trips, like to go see each other, um, once or twice a year until we all lived in the same place. And they're like the best memories that we have. They were just so much fun. Always so fun. So fun. Yep. And so you all live in Austin now? Mm hmm. We do. Very cool. Awesome. Awesome. So, and, and, you know, I guess it's not a spoiler because the episode is out, but I know early on.

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And when you guys started the podcast, part of it was like trying to find the donor, right? Yeah. So, and we've skipped over some pretty crucial pieces of information. But when I was 13, so my dad had passed away when I was 10, my mom told me that I had actually been conceived via artificial insemination. Somehow the three of us do not remember.

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We never discussed this. Because Kendall, there's no way that Kendall and I ever thought that Ricky's father was our biological father. No one would have done that. They wouldn't have been like, let's lie about it. So we definitely always knew and we just cannot remember where we told not to tell Ricky, where we just like, whatever. It just never came up. Because we always knew, but Ricky did not find out until she was 13.

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So that was jarring for me. And I did not know how jarring it was for me until we looked back and read these letters and just thought more about how my behavior started to change at that time in my life. But still didn't, I really wanted to honor my father's memory. He had asked my mom not to tell me because he did not want me to feel differently about him.

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So that was just the stance that I kept for a long time. But then we just started to have a little bit of a rough go of it because the girl's dad Ken ended up passing away when we were 17. So just in grieving that and then the problems that we all started to express in different

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going to college and after college. Yeah, I had just gone through a series of bad relationships and one in particular ended just about the worst way that one could. I decided to take a DNA test after a very serious boyfriend that I had in Austin died by suicide. And it just, I felt sort of like a...

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open wound. Like I really wanted to understand why I was making the choices that I was and how I found myself in the situations that I did. And we all also really wanted to know more about our ethnicity because people will, especially during the summer, they would always kind of ask, at least me and Julian, if we were just white. And we were like,

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We hope not. And then Ken was Italian. So they had always identified with that. And we're hoping that that carried through in some way. But so I took a DNA test when I was probably... It turns out you guys, she's 100% that bitch. Oh my God. We felt we were so sad. We never ended up making a joke on our podcast. So I ended up taking a DNA test when I was like 26 or 27.

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and nothing really came from it for a while. Well, you found out you had to have siblings. Well, and your ethnicity would have been in there as well, right? Yeah, whatever. We're skipping past that. Never mind. No, it's okay. We did end up being a quarter Mexican and a lot of Greek in the family, which we felt very cool

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Two have siblings on there. One's identity, we don't know at all still. And then one is just a beautiful gal. But because I think we were older, like it just wasn't very jarring. And it's not, I mean, you have your life well established then. And so we didn't, we connected on Instagram and we talked, but no one was like, let's get on the phone or like, let's hop on a plane. Like it's just been a nice distant relationship.

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Is she older or younger? She is exactly the same age. Oh, wow. Weird. She is also married. She definitely got a more functional side. Gene pool. Yeah. So we found out about her and then had some connections on there that just looked to be sort of a dead end.

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And someone had messaged me and said, you know, we share a very high percentage of DNA. And I can't figure out why. Here are my parents, here are my grandparents. And I thought that that was another child conceived via the sperm donor. So I was like, ugh, I don't want to blow this person's life up. But they're an adult seeking information. Yep. You sound like me. So I will just tell them.

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very straightforward what I know because the shared connection that we had on there was our half sibling. So I just messaged back and I said, you know, our shared connection on this app is my half sibling. We were conceived via the same sperm donor. And I see that you're a twin. I'm a triplet. So maybe it runs in the family. And they never said anything. It's like, oh no.

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Wow. And then a year later, I was looking at the paperwork just because I was sorting through things in the office and kind of tossed it over to my boyfriend and he questioned why I was not doing anything with this information. And I was like, well, there's not really anything there, you know, tight weight, age, majors in college, interests. Ricky's boyfriend, just to give a little, some context, I have this Abraham Lincoln thing that I got at Goodwill. I was like...

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this is so cool, I bet this is worth a million dollars. And he can just hop on and he's a researcher. He just will like dig in and he can follow threads. A sentence. Yes. So he was, I mean, by far the best person to stumble across that. Very much. They went down a rabbit hole. Because I saw in his paperwork, the sperm donor's paperwork, that his aunt's aunt

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was an identical twin. And I was like, oh my God. So I messaged the person back after a year and said, you know, sorry to pop up out of nowhere, but I was conceivvious from donor. And I see now looking that his aunt was an identical twin and you're an identical twin. Do you have a nephew that was born in this year and studied this thing in college?

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And she just wrote right back and said, yep, then signed off your great aunt Jenny. And then said nothing else. We think she was, this was a little bit facetious, like, I don't know if that's the right word, a little bit mischievous. She wanted to send.

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give Ricky this like mystery to solve. Yeah, because she's super into it. She's like the matriarch of the family and was very into it. So was very excited to find dead relatives and certainly living relatives. And I think when I said what I said a year back that she probably put the pieces together on her own, but wanted me to come to that conclusion. And then

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Because she was not revealing to her nephew that she knew this about him. I think she wanted- Because he didn't tell anyone. He did not tell anyone that he had donated sperm in college. Nope. So I think she wanted me to be the one to suss out the information. Yeah. Wow. Wow. Yeah. Because you, it sounds like you, Kendall, found, you went kind of down this road too, right, with the DNA testing. Yeah. Yeah. It was...

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You know, Cory got me the kit for my birthday in 2017, and I immediately matched with my half brother in Massachusetts who had been looking for me since 1988. Yeah. My dad's son who knew that I existed. And again, my dad's family, you know, they always wanted me and, you know, so my brother, Chris was trying to find baby Scott, you know, sorry, baby Scott was 47 years old, but you know,

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But at least we, you know. Because like with this situation, he never told anyone. He is very anonymous on the internet. And so one of my first questions for him was like, OK, so at home DNA testing, when this came onto the market, you had to be just like crapping your pants. And he was like, no, I don't really think about it. And you know, like if you were a criminal.

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And you found out about at home DNA testing, you'd be like, Oh my God, Oh my God. I feel like if I was a sperm donor, I would be like, Oh my God. And it just didn't really occur to him ever. And so when, because Ricky was the first one, you know, the first, she broke the news to him that, okay, it's I am your biological daughter.

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Also, I'm a triplet. Also, we were separated birth. Also, you have two other kids. And so it had been like 35 years since he had done this. So his, I mean, one day his life was completely, you know, he was. Wow. How did you end up tracking him down just from the ant? So you're so good at telling. I couldn't. I know a lot of, I was with people yesterday who had just listed to our finale and was like, you had to retake that, right? And I was like.

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No. I was attending a friend's wedding that day. I literally just had to set my phone aside and remain calm. The next day, my boyfriend Colin was like, all right, wake up, wake up, spread out all these papers, let's get this done. We were looking for... I think it's like a CSI board. You know the meme of Charlie Day.

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So we spread out all the paperwork and we were looking for a Jenny and Jessica Stonebridge, which is not the easiest needles to pull out of a haystack. And we ended up finding my great grandmother's obituary, which lays out the entire family line by line by line. So

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we narrowed it down to one line just because of ages and what have you. So we knew it was one of these five kids. So then we started searching for them individually, but the names were like very run of the mill, Chris, Adam, you know, stuff like that. Scott. So we ended up identifying two names that were actually pretty unusual.

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one of them being Roman Stonebridge, found Roman online because he is an artist like Kendall. A very public persona. And you know, he has his artist page up on the internet and he has a phone number on there. I was like, you know, I'm going to sleep on it, but I'm a salesperson. So...

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It's not uncomfortable or unusual for me to just pick up the phone and dial. The next morning, I was still pretty resolute in that. So I picked up the phone, called him. He answered on the second ring, which was not what I expected. You thought you were leaving a voicemail, right? Right. Yeah. It was just me shooting my shot and thinking that it was going to be a total airball.

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So when he answered, I was like, oh, I didn't think you'd still answer. So I said, hi, is this Roman? And he said, depends on who's asking. I was like, well, do you have a couple of minutes? And he said, depends on what it's regarding. And I said, well, you know, I am sure at this point, you've heard in the news a lot of crazy

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23andMe and Ancestor DNA. And he said, yeah. And I said, well, I think I'm your niece. And he was like, go on. And I said, well, do you have a brother who was born in this year and studied this in school and looks like vaguely this? And more importantly, is your

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and Jenny Stonebridge. And he was like, yep, that's all right. And I said, oh, shoot, by the way, I am conceived via artificial insemination. This is not a secret, illicit love affair. And he was like, okay, well, tell me about yourself. He was just the coolest ever.

01:00:17

So we talked for a while and I did end up just getting emotional on the phone at the actual confirmation that this was in fact his brother. And he said, well, you know, I'm going to need to call you back because I didn't know my brother did this. And while everything you're saying sounds 1000% accurate, I still really need to make sure. Yep.

01:00:42

I thought that he was never calling back or would be calling back in a couple of days. And five minutes later, he called me back and he said, yep, that's Keith. He did donate to Furman College. He doesn't think he'll be able to meet you. And I was like, this is so funny. Okay, sorry, I didn't mean to interrupt you, but Ricky wanted to make very certain when she talks to Roman.

01:01:08

that she was like, I don't, I'm not doing this because I want anything. I don't necessarily need to meet this person. I'm just looking for confirmation, maybe a few pictures, yadda yadda. So then when we get this story from Keith, our sperm donor, who is a bit of a theater actor kid, he tells a story and he's like,

01:01:31

He said that you were crying on the phone and that you really wanted to meet me and blah, blah, blah. So we're like, oh my God, Keith, you're like making this up. But then he, because they, Roman had had such a great conversation with Ricky, what Keith thinks is that Roman actually was stirring the pot and told, actually said that, you know, she's very emotional. Because he wanted Ricky to meet. Yeah, I think he also.

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was trying to pull at his heartstrings because like he said that Ricky was crying because she had such a terrible childhood. It was so funny. You have to come save this child. Work all the angles. So yeah, he came back and he said, you know, he doesn't think he's going to be able to meet you. And I said, oh, no, no, that's totally fine. That's a hundred percent. I would not even suggest that right now. I was just hoping.

01:02:30

to get a couple of photos from him around the time that he donated. And Roman was like, no, he has an email address, super secret email address, and he is ready for you to reach out. So I did. And he just, that whole entire family received us so incredibly warmly.

01:02:57

At the same time, Roman was like, by the way, this is a secret. Now, it's you, me, and Keith that know this information and that is it. And that is all we want knowing. And I was like, well, what do you want me to say to Jenny? It just blew her up on this app being like, can you give me any more information? So I ended up messaging, because Roman was like, you can figure that out. Whatever. And so I messaged Jenny and I said, you know what?

01:03:27

Nevermind. Thank you so much. I got this all sorted. We are good to go." And she ended up messaging me back and saying, welcome to the family. And here is, you're a part of a large and exceptional family of really amazing, more wonderful people. And let me know if you ever want to chat. And then, yeah, Keith started emailing me back right away and was kinder than you could have ever expected. More...

01:03:56

accepting than you could have ever expected. And very shortly thereafter asked that we have a FaceTime. And we did that. And that's when I kind of was like, you know, you're not acknowledging up to this point that there are three of us. And he was like, yeah. Did he go on to have like children that he kept? He did. He ended up getting married

01:04:26

older later in life and had two daughters. Yeah. Younger. So they're younger. Yeah. So these are not the two that you found on the app. Okay. So, okay. He didn't know about those two either. Keith is seven, seven children strong. Yeah. Total. Well, true. I mean, did he give you any indication of

01:04:52

How many times he donated? I mean, could there be lots of you out there? It sounds like, it was like at least 10. At least 10. Oh, okay, all right. And he seems to be quite successful at that. Yep. Wow. Yeah. Wow. Yeah. Yes, because I wasn't sure if the situation was, I'm sure it's different for wherever you make your donation, but like we had a guest on a couple episodes ago who,

01:05:22

His donor father, I think, was in there like a couple hundred times. And he had a very, like halfway through, had a very successful rate. I was like, well, I think there's been at least like 90 or something like that successful pregnancy. This was halfway through his run. So... His run. Yeah. I love that. So, I mean, was Keith told that there were successful pregnancies or...? No. Nope. He opted out of receiving any additional information. Okay.

01:05:51

I feel like that's what I've heard is not uncommon for, you know, sure. Cause he didn't think it was ever going to catch up with him. You know, when you're a young person and some people were doing it for the money, you know what I mean? Like they don't want to feel like that. Like, well, I was just trying to pay my rent. You know what I mean? Like, I think that, and this is pure conjecture just based because we did, and we have met Keith in person, I think based off of the person that he is, that we know him to be right now.

01:06:20

I think that he probably did that because he wanted to avoid feeling some type of way. I think that if he had found out that he had had successful donations, he would have wanted to reach out to them. Yes. He assumed a very paternal mindset. Very quickly.

01:06:48

Have you connected with your half-sisters, Keith's daughters? No, no. I don't think we will. Yeah, I don't think that's in the cards. Okay. All right. Yeah, he still wants to remain 100% anonymous. Oh. And that his name, so you can use Keith Stonebridge. Because that's not his real name? No. Okay. Got it. Because his...

01:07:16

It's not in line with the ideology of his family for this to be a thing or be out there. They don't know. They know. They did not know. His wife knows. His children do not. His children do not know still right now. Right. And then his, I don't know if we're supposed to say that, but his wife did not know he had to tell her when Ricky reached out. He had to like make that decision. Do I want to open this line of communication? If I do, I cannot.

01:07:45

be dishonest with my wife. So he ended up telling her when Ricky reached out. And that's fine for the world to know. Yeah. Sure. And I mean, you know what? His daughters may not know, but somebody might be like, hey, happy birthday. Here's a 23 and me. Yup. That's what I'm saying, dude. I would, yeah, that is what I'm saying. I mean, at some point it would be a surprise if it didn't come out one way or another.

01:08:15

Yeah, that is now that you mentioned it, probably a conversation that we should have with Keith about if his children do ever reach out, I'm sure he would want us to be like us to do, 100% honest, I would assume. For sure. And what about the twins?

01:08:34

Jenny and Jessica. I thought there were two more. I think I'm like I'm misremembering. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So there's two half siblings. Yeah, one of them that you've been in touch with, one of them you haven't. Right. Right. And then Keith's mother and her sister are identical twins. And Keith did inform us. Kendall, I don't know if we told you that. I don't think we told her. That there's another set of triplets in the family. Wow. Yeah. We were doomed.

01:09:02

Yeah, so we all, I think, have decided to not have kids. Yeah. And this is a big reason, I think, also a sticking point is like, we would definitely have like a tonic. One of us would have one triplet. Yeah. Multiple. Yeah. Wow. If you want to get the movie deal. You know. Say that again?

01:09:29

If you want to get the movie deal, you might all have to. Who's going to take the take one for the team? Or three. When you put it like that, nobody. I would just give one to you and I would just give one to you. So you've you know, you've gone through quite a bit of exploration during the first season, you know, you've had your donor.

01:09:59

father on. What's next? Oh my God. It's so great that you say that. So because we just recorded our first interview for season two yesterday, we are so relieved and I'm not sure how much of your story you two have had to tell on your podcast. They started out telling their story. They did the same thing as us except they didn't

01:10:22

They didn't do as many as we did. Yeah. So after a season, I mean, these episodes for us were a lot. They were a lot, especially with, you know, and so we would leave feeling very, it was very healing, very draining, for sure. And like, after recording, I could never sleep. It was just a lot. It was a lot to go through. We were digging up a lot of stuff and talking about it for the first time together and finding out new things, yada yada.

01:10:52

So we were so excited. So for the rest of time, as long as we do this, we have been reaching out to people to be able to tell their stories. And we don't wanna be kind of pigeonholed into, we decided we don't wanna be pigeonholed into like DNA surprises specifically or anything like that. We more want it to be, who is your father? Family relationships with your father, family dynamics.

01:11:20

things like that. So that's who we've been seeking out. So we did do our first interview yesterday with a guy who had kind of the same thing happen. He grew up, I don't know how much I should say, he grew up in a very, his mother raised him, she was very racist. And he grew up that way. And he found out when he was 22 or something that not only was his biological, the guy that he thought was his dad, that's a whole thing, not his dad, but that his dad was black.

01:11:50

So that's our first couple episodes of season two and that's we have a few guests lined up so every season that follows we'll be telling other people's stories. And oh my God, it was so much fun to just be able to talk to someone else. We're all very inquisitive as you're a journalist, you guys know how it is. We love hearing about other people and we want it to very much so be something that helps people.

01:12:19

And we want to explore things that maybe have not been explored or people haven't talked about. So kind of exploring just healing, addressing issues that are not always talked about and going from there. That's awesome. I think that's very smart and you're all well-spoken and funny. And so I think it's going to be some great conversations to come for sure. We're super excited. Yeah. And then as far as like...

01:12:48

what comes now, just personally. This has been really healing for us as sisters and we are living in the same city for the first time and it's really been the first time that we get to take advantage of it. So it's brought us a lot closer and we're really excited to continue to deepen our relationship in that way. And then I think that we sort of determined at the end of...

01:13:17

kind of the journey for us in telling our own story. We uncovered a few things that, you know, the entire time and we thought the crux of the podcast was that it was about finding our biological father. And after going through that, we realized that it was actually about us. And it actually, in kind of talking to other people about their relationships with their fathers.

01:13:41

it actually made us harken back to our relationships with the men that raised us more. So lots of healing to do together and getting to have a lot of fun. And so that's sex for us in that regard. Yeah. That's awesome. Who's the big Star Wars fan? Who came up with the name with the five cast? You're the first person to ask us this question. Yeah. I don't think we've mentioned the name yet. It's Luke, who is your father? Luke, who's your father? So I am...

01:14:10

I came up with the idea for this podcast quite a while ago. And it was actually at a time where Ricky and I were not speaking to each other. So I couldn't really tell anyone about it really. And I've known what we wanted to explore in it when I first had this idea. I also have ideas for other businesses. That's just something I do. I like stay up late at night. I'm like, I don't want to do this. I want to do this. And so I had a...

01:14:37

I had an idea for a different business and I wanted to call it Darth Vapor. I wanted it to be like an ice cream truck that drives down the street with a mask on the front and dry ice floating outside. I was like, that's hilarious. I already kind of had this Darth Vapor idea. I started dating a man named Luke and I was just thinking about this podcast one day and I was like, oh my God, Luke, who is your father?

01:15:07

That is amazing. And I regret to inform you that none of us are necessarily.

01:15:15

know, Star Wars maniacs. But we did also, we also know that the story of Luke and Leia, they are separated at birth and all that is a little bit adjacent. So none of us have lightsabers over here. We don't want anyone to think that our podcast is Star Wars themed. It was just, we thought it was a good catchy title and it gave Kendall a lot of cool imagery.

01:15:44

opportunities for design as well. Right, you're the designer. Yeah, awesome logo. Very cool logo. Thank you. I also love all of you guys. Your branding is amazing. I'm almost jealous. I wish I could take credit for it because I love design as well, but I work with a wonderful designer named Jana and she did...

01:16:07

All of that, I mean, you know, with our input, but yeah, she's fantastic. All of us love that retro vibe. And in meeting you guys, it just seems to fit so well. Right. Good. Yeah. Cause I'm the guy that sits back and says, make it, make it pretty. And, and Corey always seems to make that happen. So it works.

01:16:31

But I will say with the over the ear headphones, you all do resemble Princess Diana a little bit. So there's your Star Wars tie. We put these into the cinnamon bun. Oh my god. Wig zombie. You're a genius. We'll give you all the credit for that. We decided to do that. That was so funny. Well, this has been absolutely delightful. I mean, I've been ever since I found the podcast. Sorry. Thanks. Oh my.

01:17:02

See how excited I am? Yeah. He's throwing stuff. Right. So yeah, I mean, I was very excited to get in touch with the three of you because as soon as I saw it, I was like, oh, this is going to be a great story. And I can just tell, you know, like listening to the three of you talk on the podcast is like, oh yeah, this is going to be a really fun interview. And it has been.

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So thank you. We have had the best time. Thank you so much. We are so excited to talk to you more. Yeah. Absolutely. Oh, for sure. I mean, you have that. Yeah, you guys are getting out of this. Yeah. I'm going to skip because I'm a big true crime podcast junkie, but it's starting to give me nightmares. So I think I'm going to start listening to all these family...

01:17:46

Don't binge it. Don't podcast. You would hate it though and don't listen to too much of theirs because. Well, that's what I'm saying. I'm going to skip the first few until after we chat with you guys. Yeah. Good idea, I think. Yeah. Well, yeah, we'd be overjoyed to take on. And Kenny, doesn't Kendall look so much like Uncle Jack? I think he gives me big Paul Rudd vibes, to be honest. Do you get that a lot? When I had hair.

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people would say that. Yeah. Amazing. I always thought we met because we've been together for almost 20 years now, but I thought he'd looked like a younger guy, Pierce. Oh, I forgot that reference. I'll take that. I'm obsessed with that. Like LA confidential era. Yeah. I love, well now, I mean, and we'll ask you anyway, because we'll need pictures of you for our socials. We've got to see that era.

01:18:43

Oh yeah, absolutely. Yeah. I, yeah, I've been through it all. I had the crazy flock of seagulls guys. Yeah. There are some mistakes that were made, but Oh, you weren't the only one. Nope. Probably going to have to make some more. Well, I will definitely be reaching out, um, to get photos for sure. You know, so we can put on our socials. Um, and. We're just, we're.

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In the mix of season three right now, we're still recording season three, but we have launched. And so we'll look at the calendar today and try to figure out, we just want to make a good order. Like, so it's, you know. Yeah. Cohesive. Yeah. Exactly. Exactly. So let you know ASAP, you know, when this is going to go up. Amazing. Well, thank you both so much. It's really such a wonderful opportunity and you guys are the coolest. You're welcome. Yes. Oh, thank you. This has been a lot of fun. Yeah. Yes. Thank you so much, guys. You have a beautiful

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